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Meeting on Dec. 2nd - 7PM

-Final Site Plan for Fire Station

-Job Opportunity Grants

-Request to the Mayor



Workshop on 11/24:

This workshop was up in the Conference Room on 11/23 at 4:30 for CM Carson and 6pm for CM Dwyer and was taped for audio only.

The Mayor started the meeting by recognizing those present: the Media (Austin Fuller – DBNJ), a local attorney, VM Handy-Peters and, “two trolls” referencing myself and Patricia Stevenson. That’s what the Mayor called us: “two trolls.”

CM Carson was first up to discuss his ideas for DeBary.

Focus: TOD Development: mixed use/residential and young professionals.

Stormwater system

Florence K. Little – what to do with that area? To be addressed.

Focus on positive

Nature Park: how best to utilize it and market it. Continue success like Frisbee park.

Market Parks and Trails

Take away quote from CM Carson: “Take it (being on Council) seriously but not personally.”

CM Dwyer was next to share his thoughts.

Focus: Wants to wait for Little John (sp?) study on TOD area before moving forward.

Wants Code Enforcement to be proactive. From Norm - opinion: CM Carson might be in agreement as long as CE is not punitive - not a money maker but a way to get people into compliance. Perhaps just paying the nominal fee to the City for paperwork, follow up, etc,. This proactive CE could start in areas of the City that are most in need – 17/92 and moving out into residential. Cops go where speeders are speeding and address those areas first. Just a thought.

CM Dwyer’s respect for the Mayor has gone down given the activity on social media – leaders are to set the example. Suggested the Mayor slow down when presenting ideas and give back up materials to inform Council.

Take away quote: To address detractors use the following response: “What you’ve said or written is in error because…. (provide contravening facts)”. Mayor’s response: “Do you think that works?” CM Dwyer: "Yes."

Take away from the workshop with CM Carson and CM Dwyer:

Once Little John (sp?) study comes out, CM Carson and Dwyer might have some common ground to discuss as to how to move forward – of course there are two other Councilmembers to join in as well.

CM Carson and Dwyer could talk about parks as it relates specifically to senior citizens and healthy activities. Perhaps next to where their grandchildren play.

Proactive on Code Enforcement – both CM Dwyer and Carson are on, I believe, common ground. See where the Vice Mayor and CM Brady are at on the issue.

CM Carson might want to share his ideas with Roger Van Aucker if he has not done so already. Are they all viable?

It was nice to hear about City issues and ideas as it is a positive future we are facing as it relates to what is going to happen down around Sunrail.

Next stop: the results from the study where we had to, as a former Councilmember would say, "Stroke a check for 75 thousand dollars...yeah...I think we'll wait for the study to see what it says before we do anything." Don't spill your coffee while you're laughing...

Hope it was worth it. We’ll find out.

About an hour after this workshop wherein the Mayor wanted to promote working together and better communication, respect, etc,:

The Mayor posted on Twitter a link to the story about Daytona Beach Kennel Club submitting an application to Orange City for a poker room, restaurant, comedy club and karaoke bar. Mayor’s comment on Twitter: This is what losing looks like... but that's not a new look for DeBary. Old guard has opposed good growth for years.

We’re losers? DeBary is a loser because the Council did not do what the Mayor wanted? And he wants to work with this Council in 2016? He posted this after a workshop to build relationships and communicate better – work together better. Losers? Plus…

“Old guard”? Back in May of this year the Mayor praised this project for half an hour or forty-five minutes at a meeting. CM Carson made a motion to move forward and address the code language to allow the project – the Mayor did not second the motion.

So the “old guard” that the Mayor refers to…is himself? He didn’t even second the motion to move this project forward that he continues to complain about that was never moved forward. The Mayor complains about situations he has created.

He blames others (“old guard”) for situations he created. He didn’t second the motion – CM Carson knew what he wanted and made the motion.

Also, what the DBKC sent to Orange City is not what Steve Costa was offering here. So it’s a false comparison. Not to mention, there wasn’t even an application submitted in DeBary…so the Mayor wanted a “Yes” on a blank slate issue that he couldn’t even give support to himself by seconding the motion made by CM Carson.

Next Workshop is Monday (11/30) at 9am with CM Brady in the conference room.

Norm Erickson



I can't remember two papers and three editorials (Deland-Beacon and DBNJ - twice) addressing a sitting DeBary Mayor as they have this Mayor. And all within a few months, really.

Still, the Mayor continues to think the issues piling up all around him and burdening the City are not his fault.




Let's Follow All of the Charter...not some of it, Council...



When you tell the truth...you don't have to remember anything:

From Clint Johnson's Application - August of 2012:

Q: How long have you been a resident of DeBary? A: 14 Years

Got it.

From Clint Johnson's Application - June of 2014 (2 years later):

Q: How long have you been a resident of DeBary? A: 13 years

14 years...then 2 years later...13 years...

"I usually take a two-hour nap from one to four." Yogi Berra

The Mayor knows what you mean, Yogi.




September 1st, 2014 – Mark Harper – DBNJ:

A resident of DeBary since he was a teenager, Johnson was home-schooled in high school and earned credits at Daytona State College and Stetson University, but didn’t complete a bachelor’s program.

I asked the Mayor back in April of this year why he put “Graduated – Stetson – Bachelor’s Business – 2006" - on his 2014 City Application for interim Councilmember. His response:

As for the application, I hastily wrote in there that I went to Stetson for Business which is true. I can see now how that could be taken differently than it was intended.

What I didn’t know then that I know now is that when Mayor Johnson put his graduation information on that 2014 application, it was the second time he did that.

The first was on his Planning and Zoning Application – August of 2012. (I put in a public records request on 11/18/15 and received the information the next day – it’s so nice when the City has the public records.)

Clint Johnson typed on his Planning and Zoning application that he Graduated from Stetson in 2006 with a “B/S” Degree. It’s the same application template he filled out in 2014.

So, twice, two years apart, on the same application for two different positions, the Mayor has represented himself as a degreed student from Stetson when he did not graduate.

Now, the Mayor’s friends will say, what’s the big deal? He completed most of the courses…so what?

So, it’s stolen academic honor. So, I think a person should complete all of the coursework required to receive a degree. I’m sure I’m weird in the eyes of many out there.

If you are reading this and you graduated from anywhere after doing all of the work, you might look down on this behavior of the Mayor.

If you graduated from Stetson, you might want to let them know about these applications - these facts. You did the work. You earned the degree. The Mayor didn’t but he wants the bona fides that come with having done the work.

I’m sure the Mayor’s sycophants will strongly disagree. They will argue in favor of misleading statements on a City application about one's education - it's ok to do...well...most of it and claim the degree.

Well, they can't make that argument...so...they'll just say that because the Mayor put this false information on City applications, well...then Norm sucks. Norm is being petty again over stolen academic honor - people claiming they graduated when they didn't - BIG DEAL! Norm is a loser because the Mayor put this on applications - these kinds of responses make total sense to too many on FB and they will be appearing soon.

Where else does this false information exist? For how long and to how many has the Mayor represented himself as an Alum of Stetson?

Is Clint Johnson lying on both of these applications about his educational background? Did he twice make the mistake of not being able to answer questions about himself? Is he really so incompetent that he can’t fill out an application correctly about himself? For you to decide.

Once a mistake.



The Mayor can’t accurately reflect his own history…how could anyone take him at his word about any topic? I don’t . This is all public record stuff – in the Mayor’s handwriting or typing.

This is why the four Councilmembers need to focus on Agenda items and pay no mind to the static, chatter and academic embellishments of our Mayor. In fact, I think I'll start taking my own advice...after I post, "Clint Johnson: A Year in Review"...coming soon.

POP's last month is December...after that...you're on your own...

Norm Erickson



Walmart Passes 5-0

If the Mayor wants meetings to be less contentious, then he needs to start being less contentious at meetings and on FB. It's always humourous to see the one creating the problems somehow try to place the blame elsewhere - this isn't lost on anyone.

I do spy a kind of hope: I think the other four Councilmembers are realizing that the agenda is the place to focus - not empty rhetoric.

A fairly quiet meeting with the Mayor asking for better "communication" to avoid "contentious" meetings. Like when he loses on a vote and says to the Vice-Mayor, "You suck." Or when three members vote to keep public participation where it's always been and should be, the Mayor's response is that they are disrespectful as it was at the last meeting.

To the other four members, just focus on what is on the agenda. Though lately the agendas have been so general and non-specific, anything could be on the agenda.

"Mayor and Council Comments" on tonight's Special City Council meeeting? That could be anything. But no open public participation for the public. The Mayor would rather have the Council ask everytime for a roll call vote - instead of just accepting their will and resolution as it's been for years to just call for a roll call vote - why not let the citizens hear how each Councilmember votes?

I'm afraid that unless the Mayor changes his ways, 2016 won't be any different than 2015 or 2017 for that matter.

In some ways, we'll have to put our hope not in the Mayor but in the four adults that sit on either side of him. To some extent, taking the next three years off from the shiny object of distraction which is the Mayor may be the best course of action for citizens. Or, just look at it for what it is and chuckle...or laugh.

Norm Erickson


I've publicly and via email requested public documents from an elected official. He has refused. I've used the same process for other public records from the same person and he complied.

Malfeasance: intentionally doing something either legally or morally wrong which one had no right to do. It always involves dishonesty, illegality, or knowingly exceeding authority for improper reasons. Wrongdoing, especially by an elected official.

The Mayor feels he can do anything he wants whether it follows process or not...but if others exercise their given rights like requesting documents or filing complaints, those people are losers and pathetic.

How did we find ourselves with this as our Mayor?


Clint Johnson vs Clint Johnson

Johnson told News 6 he had already made these documents public weeks ago and is calling this lawsuit outrageous.

"I don't want anyone to think that I'm not trying to be open, because I am," said Johnson.

Ok…and now from DBNJ and Mark Harper:

Johnson, contacted Wednesday, said by phone he made the surveys available because "nobody wins" in a public-records fight. He said he hasn't made the surveys available to Erickson because "he never asked me."

Erickson had made his requests to the city, which is not the custodian of the record, Johnson said.

The Mayor states he “made the documents public weeks ago” yet he hasn’t made them “public” to me according to the Mayor.

These contradictions need no commentary. They speak for themselves and they are taken from news outlets for public consumption - direct quotes from the Mayor wherein he contradicts himself.

And then this beauty:

Go to the October 7th City Council Meeting where all commentary must be directed to the Mayor and I request the surveys to look at. Scroll over to the 2:15 time stamp of the meeting. I ask for them, "As to the surveys, I would like to see them" - I publicly request them from the Mayor - he's the only one I'm talking to - all commentary directed to the Mayor. It's on video. The agenda item was "Mayor's Mailbox".

In addition I have emails from Mr. Frankton to me and “To” Clint Johnson about my requesting the surveys asking the Mayor to follow up - he never has.

Norm Erickson


Clint Johnson from WFTV about the Mayor’s Mailbox – 11/11/15:

If you want to ask why government officials don’t do anything creative, this is a perfect example.”

From Clint Johnson at a City Council meeting about the Mayor’s Mailbox:

"The mailbox exists in a loophole which is inherently gray.

"It's one of those things where for every law, there's a way around the law, and I found my way around it. This is a clean, concise way to drop messages."

Is this the kind of “creativity” we want?

Norm Erickson



Colette Rowley vs. Clint Johnson

Stacy Tebo vs. City of DeBary

Kassandra Blissett vs. City of DeBary - Federal Court Complaint - Source: Deland-Beacon

Norman Erickson vs. City of DeBary - Public Records issue

CLICK HERE FOR CIRCUIT COURT SEARCH PAGE - "Accept" and then enter last and first name to search


At a Volusia Summit last year Rep. Mica said he had nothing to do with Sunrail. He said he didn't know why people associated him with Sunrail. Click below for the link to the latest article about Mica having nothing to do with Sunrail:


11/4: It's you...not me...

Wow. The Mayor tried to make a case for special "titles" for Councilmembers at the end of the meeting: "Nighthawk" and "Dragon". What kind of titles are those? Where did those come from? Mayor said CM Brady would be "Nighthawk"? What does that mean?

The other Councilmembers are not allowing the Mayor to do his job and they are jealous - so stated the Mayor. Indignation - so stated the Mayor. The last two or three minutes...I've never seen anything like it.

And it will continue this way for the next 16-18 months or so...after that...depending on the outcome of the election a year from now...it will get slightly better or significantly worse.

I must give Mayor Johnson credit for immediately adopting the Roll Call voting process with the revolving Seat numbers - that's not easy to do with everything else going on. I also appreciate the Mayor and Council voting to put Public Participation near the beginning of the meeting.

Norm Erickson


Mayor Johnson, the Council can only deliberate and vote on items on the Agenda - not memos and/or emails, etc,. Put stuff on the agenda. It might go through - it might not. But to just post things and send emails doesn't do anything. Just glossing over stuff as you did at a workshop isn't enough. It needs to be on the agenda with back-up materials to review, a discussion and a vote - if it receives a second.

Please don't send emails with information and then complain that the Council is not acting on the information contained in emails - it's the Agenda. If you're not willing to put your own ideas on the Agenda, why would anyone else?

The problem is, I believe, too many elected officials want to know before the meeting how the meeting is going to go. So the City Council meetings are incidental to other meetings before the City Meeting - that's where we were in 2005 when POP was born...Norm Erickson


City Council Meeting @ 7PM this Wednesday

Lots of interesting stuff...


Just Change the Projection Numbers ...not Reality...and they will:
The Iron Horse runs out of financial steam to get to Deland



Too many rules to make changes...

Rubio is OUT - I don't do National Politics on POP...unless:

“Unfortunately, we will not be able to move forward on this today, it appears,” Rubio said, as his gambit failed. With that, he was done for the week, missing the next three votes.

Impatience had been a hallmark of Rubio’s career, for good and ill. Even in his first elected office, as a young city commissioner in West Miami, Rubio had been exasperated by how slowly his colleagues worked.

But Rubio had arrived at one of the least ambitious moments in Senate history and saw many of his ideas fizzle. Democrats killed his debt-cutting plans. Republicans killed his immigration reform. The two parties actually came together to kill his AGREE Act, a small-bore, hands-across-the-aisle bill that Rubio had designed just to get a win on something.

Now, he’s done. “He hates it,” a longtime friend from Florida said, speaking anonymously to say what Rubio would not.


With the final budget approved in September, let's start the amendment process to the budget in October:

The Real News from the Workshop:

1.4 million in proposed Capital Improvments:


Property Acquistions

Stormwater System

Bayou Cleanup

The Council just voted and approved the "Final" Operating Budget on September 16th - on October 21st there was this introduction of a "Budget Amedment" of 1.4 million in capital improvements - this is not the process. It's not a "Budget Amendment" that will be proposed - this change is significant enough and enough enough that it's a different budget - in my opinion.

What costs are associated with these projects moving forward? How will they be paid for beyond the budgeted years? This was a question from CM Dwyer.

It's just a larger version of the Splash Pad being added after the budget was completed. A budget is an agreement of the Council with the people: this is how we're going to spend your money. There are meetings - discussions. There is a vote. And then a month later we give the nod at a workshop to start the process to amend it with 1.4 million from our reserves to "amend" it? At least it is happening after the hurricane season.

That this 1.4 million in expenditures was not a part of the budgeting process and all of the projects listed above were brought out about a month after closing the budgeting session is concerning to me. Also, the idea of buying 100 acres of land is something that came up from the candidates interviewing for the City Manager position over the summer - on 7/27 Mr. Czmbor stated he would "buy 100 acres" down around the Sunrail.

Now we're moving in the direction of buying a little over 100 acres to create development when we were told Sunrail would be the impetus for market forces.

This is the take away from the Workshop - not the discussion about decorum as was written about the DBNJ - they totally ignored the real substance of the workshop and wrote a story about the shiny object in the room.

Norm Erickson



This is as good as it's going to get

Mayor insults past Mayors - address this, Council..and then move forward



Clint Johnson and his lawyer respond to lawsuit


1. Denial - it's listed many times.

2. He was acting in an official capacity as Mayor - this is an attempt to trigger the City to cover his costs. Let's review the bidding: at a meeting he put together without Council consent he says he was acting as Mayor. A Mayor's Mailbox, something he put together without Council's consent, he says he found a loophole and acted as a private citizen.

And the Mayor wonders why I don't have in-depth conversations with him? A month or so ago he looked me right in the eye and said, "Some people just can't take criticism." I just looked at him and held my tongue. It would be like Woody Allen telling Don Knotts, "You don't look tough enough." In addition, I stood at the podium and asked the Mayor to expound on an issue he brought up at a prior meeting - he refused. So, I just don't have the time to go through that privately.

I doubt this will be wrapped up by the end of December when POP closes its doors...to the happiness of many I'm sure...

Colette Rowley V. Clint Paul Johnson: 2015 11473 CIDL

CACH LLS V. Clint P. Johnson: Case No.: 2012 20323 CONS

Robert Kimmy V. Clint Johnson: Case No.: 2009 12157 CODL

Brianne Coogler V. City of Orange City, Et Al: Case No.: 2009 10710 CIDL


Norm Erickson


Let's Move On...For the sake of the City...



Clint and Clinton: A Tale of Two Mailboxes

You can’t spell “Clinton” without “Clint”.  And just as Hillary Clinton had a private server and email mailbox while in public government – she found a loophole, I guess – so Clint Johnson found a loophole to have a private Mayor’s Mailbox but used public taxpayer monies to pay for legal bills to allow it and take up staff time as it relates to public documents.  Clinton and Clint just do what they want and if we want information we’ll just have to trust them to give us what we’re asking for – but we can pay for it.

Clint Johnson likes to talk about how he is challenging the status quo and when you challenge the status quo and just don’t do things the way they have always been done, you’re going to be taken to task because you’re defying the status quo.  Um, finding loopholes and gray areas to do private business in public government is not defying the status quo – it is preserving it.  Challenging the status quo is being intellectually honest and following the rules and codes – that causes more alarm than not following the rules, looking for ways around the law and just going off and doing your own thing.  Not following process is not daring.  Adhering to process is daring.  Saying what is true out loud is defying the status quo.

Clint and Clinton…not much difference in name or deed. From Clint as it relates to the Mayor’s Mailbox: "Not going to be a true and whole answer." That’s the Mayor’s Mailbox that has nothing to do with anything political. It’s all private. Ok. Got it.

I’ve put in a records request for those surveys to have a look at them.  Courts usually find in favor of citizens’ rights and transparency rather than not. 

Four Councilmembers are arguing for transparency, process, and working together. Clint is arguing for keeping public documents to himself, avoiding the usual process of working together – and why? Because he found a loophole.  And he thinks others are jealous of him finding a way around the rules?  And that’s challenging the status quo? 

An elected official that states on the record at the last meeting that “…for every law, there's a way around the law, and I found my way around it. ” A capitalist that finds a way around the law to do what he wants.

The worst of both worlds: a true “politician” and “capitalist” all rolled into one.

Norm Erickson


10/12 - A Triple Lindy:

Challenging the "status quo"? Hardly - from our Mayor on his Mailbox:

"The mailbox exists in a loophole which is inherently gray.

"It's one of those things where for every law, there's a way around the law, and I found my way around it. This is a clean, concise way to drop messages."

But it isn't clean...it's gray...oh my...



Now We're Talking!



Lenny Marks in:



As he (Mort) walked out, he said Erickson could "kiss his" behind.

"I'm not a proctologist," Erickson said. "I don't know how to handle you."

It was quite a meeting. I have a number of notes...a number of points to make...but...whew....the Council needs to keep talking to each other to keep working through the issues...next Workshop is on October 21st. More to come...


A late posting on my part - I apologize - Norm

He continues to amaze and stupefy, even to the point of identifying his posting address as a reference to a man who talked to empty chairs!
He is tone deaf to the rational world around him and any attempt to offer advise and council is rejected by him.

He fooled many people during his campaign, several of whom have expressed regret that they voted for him. Can we expect to see a report from him on his Washington trip or are the "look at me" pictures going to be the only result to show for our City`s expenditures?

Mark Sandler


From TeamClint.com as posted by Clint@eastwoodmarketing.com

I think this sums up Mayor Johnson's style of governing as well as biking:

Riding in groups is not my bag. Being naturally competitive, it’s difficult to not spend the entire time racing, there’s too much opportunity for wrecking, and it gives the distinct impression of sheep in a herd. More importantly, it’s far more adventurous and experiential to take the uncharted course. --Clint Johnson

I love when this happens:

From Clint Johnson posted on TeamClint.com website:

“With no training or experience, this should be a fair challenge. (I didn’t even own a bicycle until today, less than 2 weeks before the start).”

Ok.....and now...From the DBNJ Newspaper article:

One other time before he became mayor, Johnson rode a 500-mile loop across Florida to Sarasota and back in pursuit of a great big sandwich. He had watched a TV show, "Man V. Food" and decided to ride to Munchies 420 Cafe, which offers a Fat Sandy, or belly buster, with hamburger patties, chicken fingers, mozzarella sticks and mac-and-cheese.

"It was worth it," he (Clint Johnson) said.

From Norm: Breathtaking...so, other than that 500 mile loop, Mayor has no experience..."didn't even own a bike until today". Ok...so he borrowed a bike didn't own one for the 500 loop and 500 miles isn't anything like 800...so...it's as if he's never done it before ever....yeah...that covers it politician style...clear as mud...


Mayor Johnson:

Wanting to work with and talk to everyone...except his own Council:




Mayor Johnson on being booted from Team Volusia:

"I had no intention of returning." - Deland Beacon

Then resign, Mayor Johnson. What a feckless move to try and save face. The fact is, Mayor Johnson should have brought his concerns about Team Volusia to the Councilmembers before he went to the Team Volusia meeting. He should have offered his resignation before insulting DeBary and the Council in front of the Team Volusia gathering of over 70 local business leaders.

Mayor Johnson was put in office to "...kick DeBary in the ass..." - see quote below. Did his supporters know that?

Mayor Johnson was voted in with 56% of the vote against two former Councilmembers a little over a year ago...I voted for Jack Lenzen.

Had Jack Lenzen or Danny Tillis been elected, we would not be having these problems of antagonistic, childish and unprofessional behaviors we have now with this Mayor.

56%...I wonder what it would be today...next year we have two seats up - CM Carson is termed out...CM Dwyer's seat comes due for re-election and/or an open seat.

Norm Erickson


The Mayor’s Mingle Mangle

Responding to the Mayor

Part 5 of 6 in Act II of a Five Act Series



Do no harm, Mr. Mayor - some quick advice for you:



Why did Clint Johnson run for office?

The answer - in his own words:

"I believe I was put in this office to kick DeBary in the ass and get it going."

"No city voted for a 28-year-old thinking he wouldn't come in and disrupt something."

3 Sources - Click on links:

Mayor's Mailbox


Hometown News Article on Mayor Johnson: "Pipe down"

Good News for Mayor Johnson: You are no longer the City representative for Team Volusia - then again - why would you want to be?

CM Brady is the new representative - a good choice given his experience in business.



I just got home from the Council Meeting and felt encouraged for the first time in a long time. The meeting was run in accordance with Roberts Rules of Order, which it should always have been. The agenda was followed; lots of good ideas and discussion between Council Members, City Manager and staff; a palpable sense of teamwork; some potential good news from the City Manager and an overall positive atmosphere. Unfortunately, when so many positive things are happening, the proverbial ointment fly shows up... in this case the city`s anti Socialist, anti - old people gadfly had his usual rambling rants but, bottom line - a very good meeting. Oh, by the way, Clint Johnson wasn`t there.

Mark Sandler



The Mayor's Mingle Mangle - Act II - Part 4 of 6:

The Mayor's Magical Patter...



Citizen Editorial : Speaking with the Mayor at the Twisted Tap

As if the original press wasn't bad enough, DBNJ ran an opinion piece this week rehashing Mayor Johnson's behavior, and suggesting that DeBary deserves better.  Our young mayor certainly has taken a beating, but it didn't stop him from asking me to meet up with him for a chat at the twisted tap.  As a recent critic of our mayor, I was impressed that he was willing to reach out "across the table" so to speak.  So I accepted his offer and prepared a list of questions.   

First, I found out that a Team DeBary rally car race is not going to happen, but the cross state bicycle trip will. Mayor Johnson will be riding 850 miles to bring awareness to the trails, and also to petition Volusia County to expedite the completion of the missing link connecting Blue Springs to Gemini Springs. I support this endeavor to complete the Spring to Spring trail in Debary, and I hope the mayor will be able to take some time during his bike ride to reflect on his role in planning the future for our city.

Finally, this week I also found the "other Patricia" who asked for the mayor to resign: Patricia Davidson, 16 year resident, told me she stands by her email. She is actually glad he published it on his website so that  "anyone with half a brain" can see it.  I also used my time with the Mayor to speak about diplomacy.   He was also willing to admit that his diplomacy was in need of some assistance, and I was more than willing to oblige with some quotes, tips, and examples from my experience as a teacher.  Only time will tell if our young mayor has learned from his mistake - aim high, but not for the sun, as you will surely get burned.

Patricia Stevenson

********** AND:

In addition to the DBNJ article, the West Volusia Beacon`s article in its 9/7-9 edition has a less watered-down analysis. Clint has the right to express his thoughts as do we all. However, the use of the word "haters" and the phrase "You suck" are examples of his immaturity. He has established the mentality of TEAM CLINT vs THE HATERS. We need and deserve better than this. I hope that the other four rational Council members do not take long in initiating the censure/removal process.

Mark Sandler

DBNJ to Mayor Johnson: You are not a monarch - we deserve better...

Mayor, it's not you...it's us...it's all of us... it's the DBNJ Editorial Staff...they don't get it...they just don't understand how you are trying to help...it's not you...some just never understand...keep up the great, great work for DeBary...don't be stymied by people who just don't understand and want the same old thing...some don't want to see you improve DeBary government with your revolutionary ideas and strategies. --Um...when are you going to roll those out by the way...cause some non-believers are getting anxious...we might not be able to wait for Christmas for the surprise...how's bout Turkey day?



A Citizen sent it in:

Who linked "teamdebary.com" to the City's website? Honestly, what the hell is going on around here? Click below:


Did he do this as Clint Johnson...as Mayor of DeBary...or...as an agent of logic?

The Mayor wants $10,500 for...what exactly? From the website:

Membership for a team of (2) people + your (1) personal vehicle is $10,500.00. This includes Sept 23-Oct 1; single room/ double occupancy hotel rooms, all scheduled meals (breakfast, lunch, dinner) + soft & spirited drinks (nightly open bar), access to all events, parties and receptions, 500 custom trading cards, (1) Competition Jersey, (1) Commemorative Dash Medallion, official sponsor decals, (1) giant gift box, (1) drivers gift kit.



For the groundswell of people as they look for a gathering place to discuss and possibly start the process:

100.361 Municipal recall. —

(d) Grounds for recall.—The grounds for removal of elected municipal officials shall, for the purposes of this act, be limited to the following and must be contained in the petition:



3.Neglect of duty;



6.Permanent inability to perform official duties; and

7.Conviction of a felony involving moral turpitude.



Citizen Editorial: A Second Patricia Speaks out!

I wanted to believe Mayor Clint Johnson when he said he would consider the advice given to him at the last meeting, but alas it is clear there is no stopping Cowboy Clint. He has come riding into town to save us from our own standards of decency and political correctness.

Don’t take my word for it, read the latest e-mail our mayor has shared on his “Mayor’s Mailbox” from another concerned resident who shares my first name: Patricia. She also called for the mayor to resign, and the mayor responded in his typical crybaby fashion and called Team Volusia “a bunch of blowhards”. I feel bad for this other Patricia, but his response further validates her claim that he is a “petulant child”. I hope this other Patricia will join me at the next council meeting Wed. Sept. 16 7pm.

Best Regards,

Patricia Stevenson


Looking at the social media sites since the last Council meeting, it seems as if Clint took the input from that meeting "into consideration" and has decided to ignore the input. Some people say that his youth and lack of experience are the main causes of his unacceptable behavior. I submit that the problem is not youth but immaturity. Youth will, by itself, disappear. Immaturity may never disappear and, in my opinion, it will be a long time, if ever that Clint matures.

His final action at the last meeting of asking Councilwoman Handy-Peters to close the meeting by pushing the gavel towards her was both insulting and degrading and should be recognized as such. I have no confidence that taking the action of censuring him will be effective. His resignation or removal is the only way to get our City government functioning effectively again.

Mark Sandler


Mort Culligan's behavior and CM Dwyer's response -

It all starts at 51:12 and CM Dwyer's response starts at 53:16





Why are we sending a letter of apology to Team Volusia if the Mayor continues with the rhetoric below?

Clint Johnson, after being admonished by three members on Council and citizens, posting on Facebook 9/4:

In speaking to Team Volusia, an organization that has brought nothing to the table except a bunch of talk and a $10,000 a year bill to the tax payers, in reference to their quarterly do nothing meetings, "I don't give a damn" about sitting there hearing the nonsense anymore.

And lest we forget the Clint Johnson of, believe it or not, September 1st of last year from the DBNJ:

“As a Christian, I believe myself to have more patience with difficult people,” he said. “I understand where they are coming from. I can be empathetic to their views. I am a servant to them.”



Mort Culligan violated the decorum policy stated on the back of the yellow speaker’s card when he said, “that damn flag”. Profanity is not allowed. Period. He should have been asked to stop and sit down. Had that happened, the other two citizens would not have responded as they did.

On Facebook “You live in DeBary if” the thinking is Mort can say anything he wants. No. The decorum rule limits what he can say. Nothing derogatory, profane, insulting. Anyone violating those rules should be chucked. Mort seems to think the Constitution allows him to use profanity at a Council meeting – it doesn’t.

We have a policy on the back of the card he fills out. It is posted on the screen. It’s not complicated. It’s very simple. Anyone using profanity should be chucked every time.

Start with profanity and move on to other things like “knucklehead”, “ old and foolish”, etc,. It's up to the Council to decide what they do and do not want happening at the podium. But profanity is not allowed.

Aren’t elected officials supposed to defend citizens? Or are citizens to be Mort’s punching bag? The Mayor does not want to be a punching bag and he’s in a public, elected office. But it’s ok for Mort to violate the decorum policy and throw verbal punches at citizens and curse. And for those saying, "Norm, are you offended by the word 'damn'?" My answer is, "No. But that's not the point."

Just follow the policy. Any Councilmember may do this.

Also, I've been sent the Mayor's postings from Facebook. It seems last night was totally lost on him. You could censure the Mayor every month and it would do nothing. Where the Council goes from here I do not know.

The Mayor is a rogue teenager saying what needs to be said at the time so he can go out and violate curfew later.

In addition, he is being fueled by a few supporters on Facebook; a few that do not show up at meetings to support his projects or defend his actions. Was Mort defending the Mayor last night? I'm not sure. If he was, he was the only one.

Norm Erickson

Addendum: In the last few months, Mort has left 5 incredible voice mails for me using the "F-word" as a noun, verb, adverb, adjective and as a gerund. His emails echoed the same sentiment, so I stopped reading them a while ago.

Here's my favorite part: people will write to me or tell me I must allow Mort to post on POP. Probably the same people who block others on Facebook. That is to say, I'll be told to enforce a policy on a website that doesn't exist while a City policy on profanity voted in by an elected City Council and stated on the back of the yellow speaker card gets a pass - it doesn't need to be followed much less enforced.

One can only laugh.

Please don't try to hold a guy and a website to a level of accountability and behavior that, seemingly, does not exist for our Mayor in general or our Council in particular as to how they deal with Mort. Thank you.


Soon after the discussion about Mayor's behavior on social media...Mayor takes to social media...now...I hope no one is surprised by this...


Mayor heard from the Citizens and the Council about his behavior. Mayor's final statement on the issue: "I'll take it under consideration."

Council to send a letter of apology to Team Volusia

Motion of "Censure" by CM Brady was not seconded

Mayor gave the Vice Mayor the gavel to close the meeting

In response to Mort Culligan, CM Dwyer gave the most reasoned and emotional speech I've ever heard - period. He received a standing ovation - time stamps to follow when meeting is posted - you need to watch it.

Mr. Conoley spoke out in defense of free speech. Most of you may not be aware that Mayor Johnson tried to prevent Mr. Conoley from talking at the last meeting by stating Mr. Conoley had not filled out the yellow speaker card correctly. CM Dwyer urged the Mayor and Council to reconsider. I actually talked to Mr. Conoley about this after the meeting and Mr. Conoley stated that CM Brady also urged the Mayor to allow Mr. Conoley to speak. What the Mayor attempted was not in keeping with free speech. Mr. Conoley has a right to speak.

I think tonight will be totally lost on the Mayor - this is his invitation to prove me wrong. I will give him a second chance at the next regular meeting when I ask him for what purposes is he collecting money. We'll see what he says. He brought it up...I just want to know more about it. If it involves the Council...the Council should be made aware as well.


Don't Use Taxpayer Money to Defend Him:


Assault and Slander - Jury Trial Demanded...Injunctive relief and for damages that exceed $15,000.00...details forthcoming...

CLICK HERE FOR CIRCUIT COURT SEARCH PAGE - Enter "Clint Johnson" and then when you link to search criteria: Case No. "2015 11473 CIDL" - Click on "Docket" and then click on "Complaint" PDF link on far right - 7 page document outlining the Complaint.


Setting the Budget -

Special Council Meeting this Thursday at 7PM:




Mayor Johnson disagrees with homeless shelter proposal. Well, unlike the horse track/card room issue, at least there is an actual proposal on paper to disagree with. So Mayor Johnson can disagree with what is on paper, but how dare anyone disagree on a proposal that does not exist on paper...or an application.

And this is what passes for "ok" in the mind of Mayor Johnson...Maybe if the proposal for the homeless shelter were not on a written piece of paper...just kind of talked about and hinted at, Mayor Johnson would be on board...

Mayor Johnson says Government should not work against the Church...Mayor Johnson is rabid about bringing gambling to DeBary...even when the landowner is not...this is what passes for "normal" in the Mayor's mind.


Posted tonight (8/26) by Clint Johnson in You Live in DeBary If… 10:13PM

Al, the video is clipped to when the meetings are closed. You won't know what Liberal Lita said in her unnoticed meeting with council and manager. Neither will I because I left after the meeting was over.
....what did she say? I think we all have a right to know from someone who was at he meeting even though Lita doesn't think the whole public has such a right.


City Manager's Contract extended/amended through January 2016

Mayor plays on computer and gives silent treatment during entire meeting - a childishly sulky and bad-tempered Mayor we have. But he has so much to say on Facebook...

Clint Johnson to Team Volusia (not the full text though it was sent to me):

This morning I don’t speak on behalf of the DeBary Council.  I speak as Clint Johnson a free agent for logic.

The fact of the matter is, the City of DeBary is an extremely difficult community to develop in.  You will face months of bureaucracy, a close minded and short sighted council, and an aggressive minority of residents that will sue you if you’re fortunate and persistent enough to happen to gain any semblance of the approval you initially sought.

Prepare to spend vastly too much money, time, and effort no matter how simple and accommodating the proposal, just to be met with more regulation and disapproval from city staff and residents years after opening.

I guess after 8 months of hands on political experience, I’ve grown jaded by the rhetoric. 

So with that decidedly unpolitical dose of truth,  I’ll turn the mic over to our marketing director to put a little polish on this pig and bring back the warm and fuzzy because frankly, my dear. I don’t give a damn.

*******************************CITIZEN EDITORIAL:

If you were not at the meeting, you missed a silent tantrum. Our mayor arrives at 6:59, doesn`t acknowledge anyone on the Council, drops his briefcase on the floor and calls the meeting to order. He spends 98% of the meeting looking down at his ipad or computer, does not comment on the budget or City Manager search, ends the meeting and leaves without talking to or acknowledging anyone else.

There may be reasons (other than the obvious ones) that caused him to behave in that manner, but my guess is that the "obvious ones" are the cause of his childish behavior. We`ll see next Thursday at another SPECIAL MEETING.

Mark Sandler